Why Do Peak Oilers And Climate Changers Not Get Along Better?

any tidy conclusions here just find the sociocultural and academic interaction believe everything you read he went on to grumble vaguely about energy projections in the ipcc and currently attending ohio state universitys moving ahead conference focused on production going to head into inexorable decline in the next few years oil prices spike simmons and richard heinberg focus their attention on short term liquid fuel options however dirty electrification be fast enough to replace liquid fuels and the only near term options change which he mentioned in his presentation noted that all his short term mitigation they may be for the reasons hirsch articulated theyre worried about the suffering that ensue matter more to him than the climate followed up by noting that droughts severe storms loss of freshwater supplies declining agricultural output and disease migration in fact impact people filmed ill let you know assuming its not a disaster an interesting experience this from oil decline they seem to view climate change as abstract and distant relative to oil and create suffering what with the climate containing so many humans he said and quote its also true in more concrete ways models like the ipccs and others project increasing between peak oilers and climate types fascinating youd think it be a natural alliance but shortages the climate crowd meanwhile more or less ignores peak oil thats true culturally but morning at a presentation by robert hirsch oil industry vet now a consultant author of famed hirsch report on peak oil it pretty familiar stuff to anyone whos followed the issue oil coal to liquids tar sands and to a lesser extent efficiency afterwards asked him about climate emissions fall to effectively zero by he said basically that people and their suffering noticed before the peak oil crowd seems to something like suspicion verging on contempt for options involve increasing co emissions despite the fact that scientists recommending us transitioning to sustainable transportation ill be moderating a panel tonight think it be the difficulty of climate modeling these very complex topics he helpfully instructed and climate change scientists and campaigners the real hardcore peak oilers like hirsch and matt fossil fuel consumption in perpetuity ignoring the physical shortages the peak oilers shout about theres a lot of crap out there it vintage dfh bashing to this reinforces something in practice it seems to tend more toward mutual disinterest or even hostility whats up with that ((04 MAY 2010))

((above text is computer generated —- links are below))

http://www.countercurrents.org/roberts040510.htm

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http://www.energyinsights.net/cgi-script/csarticles/articles/000049/004976.htm

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http://www.thepeakist.com/manifesto

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http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2243

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http://www.postcarbon.org/blog-post/40645-the-climate-peak-oil-divide

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http://www.theoildrum.com/node/5047

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/oct/31/climate-change-computer-game?showallcomments=true

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http://www.oilempire.us/peakoil.html

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/mar/12/climate-change-copenhagen-monbiot?showallcomments=true

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http://www.whatispeakoil.com

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http://www.openthefuture.com/2008/03/peak_oil_vs_global_warming.html

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http://www.junkscience.com

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http://www.grinzo.com/energy

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Peak Oilers & Climate Changers.
It’s good that these people have been given labels.

But two more labels are needed —-
Man-Made Climate Changers & Non-Man-Made Climate Changers

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